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	<title>Comments on: Rediscovering the Haunts of Newt Knight</title>
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		<title>By: Jenny Allen</title>
		<link>http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/rediscovering-the-haunts-of-newt-knight/#comment-6237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 00:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[has anyone came up with the exact where a bouts of the devils den.. I live in the sandhill area was that also used as slave housing or was it a battle ground sometimes late at night some say you can hear the soldiers horses but that is hear say so can anyone tell us where the artifact is that has the soldiers names ingraved I am very interested in visiting this area]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone came up with the exact where a bouts of the devils den.. I live in the sandhill area was that also used as slave housing or was it a battle ground sometimes late at night some say you can hear the soldiers horses but that is hear say so can anyone tell us where the artifact is that has the soldiers names ingraved I am very interested in visiting this area</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Moss,

Thank you for attending my July 15 lecture at the Laurel-Jones County Library. I&#039;ll first address your statement that &quot;anyone trying to figure Newt Knight out will go crazy.&quot; Well, I&#039;ve been studying him for some twenty years now and my mental health is just fine, ha, ha!

Second, I stand by my statement that the Collinses were overwhelmingly Unionist in their politics. I am talking about the sons of Stacy Collins Sr. Vinson, Simeon, Riley Jasper, Warren, Stacy Jr., and Newton Carroll, all opposed secession and/or fought against the Confederacy, either in the Union Army (Riley) or in a guerrilla band. Only the youngest brother, Edwin, died while serving in a Confederate unit. Jasper and Warren, both of whom lived into the 20th century, were proud to call themselves Unionists and often did so. They did not consider themselves to have fought against their &quot;people&quot; as you put it, but to have fought, as Southern men, for their nation. To be a white southerner is NOT necessarily to have been a Confederate.

As for Ethel Knight, I DID cut her some slack--it was me who pointed out in my lecture that she must be viewed in the context of her times. But that does not mean that a historian should ignore the meaning of her words, and I make no apology for my critique of her book.

Finally, our economy is certainly in trouble today, but to say it is worse than a time when our nation held some 4 million people as slaves I find deeply offensive.  

The overarching  message of my lecture was that we should seek to understand Newt Knight in order to better understand a bloody, fratricidal war that had devastating costs for Southerners. But make no mistake, that war was caused by slavery (which is NOT to say that most Northerners wanted to end slavery in 1861!). We are fortunate to have rid ourselves of that institution despite many politicians of both the South and North. Our problems today are of our own 20th-21st century making, and going backward in time with some romantic notion of a war about &quot;states rights&quot; will not fix them.

Vikki Bynum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Moss,</p>
<p>Thank you for attending my July 15 lecture at the Laurel-Jones County Library. I&#8217;ll first address your statement that &#8220;anyone trying to figure Newt Knight out will go crazy.&#8221; Well, I&#8217;ve been studying him for some twenty years now and my mental health is just fine, ha, ha!</p>
<p>Second, I stand by my statement that the Collinses were overwhelmingly Unionist in their politics. I am talking about the sons of Stacy Collins Sr. Vinson, Simeon, Riley Jasper, Warren, Stacy Jr., and Newton Carroll, all opposed secession and/or fought against the Confederacy, either in the Union Army (Riley) or in a guerrilla band. Only the youngest brother, Edwin, died while serving in a Confederate unit. Jasper and Warren, both of whom lived into the 20th century, were proud to call themselves Unionists and often did so. They did not consider themselves to have fought against their &#8220;people&#8221; as you put it, but to have fought, as Southern men, for their nation. To be a white southerner is NOT necessarily to have been a Confederate.</p>
<p>As for Ethel Knight, I DID cut her some slack&#8211;it was me who pointed out in my lecture that she must be viewed in the context of her times. But that does not mean that a historian should ignore the meaning of her words, and I make no apology for my critique of her book.</p>
<p>Finally, our economy is certainly in trouble today, but to say it is worse than a time when our nation held some 4 million people as slaves I find deeply offensive.  </p>
<p>The overarching  message of my lecture was that we should seek to understand Newt Knight in order to better understand a bloody, fratricidal war that had devastating costs for Southerners. But make no mistake, that war was caused by slavery (which is NOT to say that most Northerners wanted to end slavery in 1861!). We are fortunate to have rid ourselves of that institution despite many politicians of both the South and North. Our problems today are of our own 20th-21st century making, and going backward in time with some romantic notion of a war about &#8220;states rights&#8221; will not fix them.</p>
<p>Vikki Bynum</p>
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		<title>By: dr. lavahn moss</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dr. bynum, i am a jones countian. i heard you speak in laurel this past week. you kept mentioning that the collins  family were unionists. my great grandfather had two brothers killed in the war between the states. they fought for the rebs. they are my great great uncles. one is buried at vicksburg. his  brother had to break the news to his daddy that his son was dead. my great great grandfather was in the confederate calvary. by the way my granddaddy married a bynum. my distant relative moss helped secure newts services for the south.  i,ve told you before that i felt newt did what he did to survive. he used rachel  for various reasons,.  he had nowhere to go live but with the blacks. i wanted to correct you that the collin&#039;s weren&#039;t all unionists.  i heard a smart professor that wrote a series of books about the civil war give an interview once. at the conclusion the interviewer asked him if he were living during the  war between the states which side would he have fought on. his reply was the south of course,i wouldn&#039;t have fought against my people. the exact reason the outstanding lee fought for the south. most wars are rich peoples war except maybe wwII. i served in vietnam and seen how  some affluent  americans  avoid vietnam. however. that didn.t  cause me to even think about deserting. newt knight was not a union patriot in my opinion. why was he shunned so much after the war? he treated blacks bad at times. Why did he want to breed the black blood out of rachals children? also was martha newt&#039;s daughter or sister in law? ANYONE TRYING TO FIGURE NEWT KNIGHT OUT WILL GO CRAZY. WHY DIDN&#039;T NEWT FIGHT FOR BLACKS EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS BEFORE SECESSION?  THANKS  - BY THE WAY, I  VISITED WITH ETHEL DURING THE LATE 1980&#039;S. I KNOW YOU WERE APPALLED BY HER LANGUAGE CONCERNING BLACKS BUT REMEMBER THE CULTURE SHE WAS RAISED IN. GIVE HER A LITTLE SLACK. JONES COUNTY HAS A HISTORY OF PATROTISM. LOOK HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  I LIVE IN BIG CREEK AND THE KNIGHTS  ARE MIGHTY GOOD PEOPLE. who knows what the future holds. one day there may be another revolution and the south may win. I  am not speaking in terms of slavery but states rights. the north really screwed up things. look at the mess we are in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dr. bynum, i am a jones countian. i heard you speak in laurel this past week. you kept mentioning that the collins  family were unionists. my great grandfather had two brothers killed in the war between the states. they fought for the rebs. they are my great great uncles. one is buried at vicksburg. his  brother had to break the news to his daddy that his son was dead. my great great grandfather was in the confederate calvary. by the way my granddaddy married a bynum. my distant relative moss helped secure newts services for the south.  i,ve told you before that i felt newt did what he did to survive. he used rachel  for various reasons,.  he had nowhere to go live but with the blacks. i wanted to correct you that the collin&#8217;s weren&#8217;t all unionists.  i heard a smart professor that wrote a series of books about the civil war give an interview once. at the conclusion the interviewer asked him if he were living during the  war between the states which side would he have fought on. his reply was the south of course,i wouldn&#8217;t have fought against my people. the exact reason the outstanding lee fought for the south. most wars are rich peoples war except maybe wwII. i served in vietnam and seen how  some affluent  americans  avoid vietnam. however. that didn.t  cause me to even think about deserting. newt knight was not a union patriot in my opinion. why was he shunned so much after the war? he treated blacks bad at times. Why did he want to breed the black blood out of rachals children? also was martha newt&#8217;s daughter or sister in law? ANYONE TRYING TO FIGURE NEWT KNIGHT OUT WILL GO CRAZY. WHY DIDN&#8217;T NEWT FIGHT FOR BLACKS EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS BEFORE SECESSION?  THANKS  &#8211; BY THE WAY, I  VISITED WITH ETHEL DURING THE LATE 1980&#8242;S. I KNOW YOU WERE APPALLED BY HER LANGUAGE CONCERNING BLACKS BUT REMEMBER THE CULTURE SHE WAS RAISED IN. GIVE HER A LITTLE SLACK. JONES COUNTY HAS A HISTORY OF PATROTISM. LOOK HOW MANY HAVE FOUGHT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  I LIVE IN BIG CREEK AND THE KNIGHTS  ARE MIGHTY GOOD PEOPLE. who knows what the future holds. one day there may be another revolution and the south may win. I  am not speaking in terms of slavery but states rights. the north really screwed up things. look at the mess we are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Where is Deserters&#8217; Den located? &#171; Renegade South</title>
		<link>http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/rediscovering-the-haunts-of-newt-knight/#comment-2923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Where is Deserters&#8217; Den located? &#171; Renegade South]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in where Newt Knight and his band of deserters hid out during the Civil War; there&#8217;s even an essay devoted to the question on this blog. Recently, Jones County historian Ed Payne pointed out to me [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in where Newt Knight and his band of deserters hid out during the Civil War; there&#8217;s even an essay devoted to the question on this blog. Recently, Jones County historian Ed Payne pointed out to me [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wade</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wade]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buffalo Hill is what it is called it&#039;s on 29 north not far out of Ellisville like going back to 84 west]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffalo Hill is what it is called it&#8217;s on 29 north not far out of Ellisville like going back to 84 west</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[renegadesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leroy,

A great idea! 

Thanks,
Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leroy,</p>
<p>A great idea! </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: Leroy Brister</title>
		<link>http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/rediscovering-the-haunts-of-newt-knight/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leroy Brister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an armchair browser of history, I find that Google Earth, Google Maps, MSN Maps Birdseye are great to go snooping around historical sites.  You can zoom down to the Leaf River and look for the islands in the bayous where hiding places may have been.  Head on down the road, pop into Streetview and look over the places like Soso, and drive by the Deason House which is completely blocked in by the school.  Great for battlefields too! Just thought I would throw that in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an armchair browser of history, I find that Google Earth, Google Maps, MSN Maps Birdseye are great to go snooping around historical sites.  You can zoom down to the Leaf River and look for the islands in the bayous where hiding places may have been.  Head on down the road, pop into Streetview and look over the places like Soso, and drive by the Deason House which is completely blocked in by the school.  Great for battlefields too! Just thought I would throw that in.</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[renegadesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Dennis, but I have no more specific information than is posted here. Perhaps some of our readers can provide more information about exact locations of graves or Newt Knight&#039;s Civil War camp(s).

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Dennis, but I have no more specific information than is posted here. Perhaps some of our readers can provide more information about exact locations of graves or Newt Knight&#8217;s Civil War camp(s).</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vikki,

I read you excerpts of Jeff Knight comments about grave yards located south of Moselle, near Estabuchie. Do you have more information on their specific locations? I am orginally from Kelly Settlement, across Leaf river from Estabuchie, and heard stories as a kid from family (Kelly) members about &quot;outlaws&quot; who use to hide out on the old Jenkins place located in Leaf River swamps in that area. Do you know specifically where Newt Knight camp was, or did they move up and down the river between various locations?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vikki,</p>
<p>I read you excerpts of Jeff Knight comments about grave yards located south of Moselle, near Estabuchie. Do you have more information on their specific locations? I am orginally from Kelly Settlement, across Leaf river from Estabuchie, and heard stories as a kid from family (Kelly) members about &#8220;outlaws&#8221; who use to hide out on the old Jenkins place located in Leaf River swamps in that area. Do you know specifically where Newt Knight camp was, or did they move up and down the river between various locations?</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[renegadesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comments, Tim and Ken. You both reinforce the point that the story of Jones County&#039;s Civil War insurrection is far bigger than Newt Knight, although he played a major role in organizing and leading it. It is deeply embedded in American traditions of dissent against perceived corruptions of power.

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Tim and Ken. You both reinforce the point that the story of Jones County&#8217;s Civil War insurrection is far bigger than Newt Knight, although he played a major role in organizing and leading it. It is deeply embedded in American traditions of dissent against perceived corruptions of power.</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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