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	<title>Comments on: Part One: Review of Sally Jenkins and John Stauffer, The State of Jones</title>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is fascinating, Erich; thanks for taking the time to share it with Renegade South. Given that your great aunt was born only two years before Newt Knight died, this is stark testimony to how vibrant the legend of the Free State of Jones was long after the Civil War and Reconstruction had passed.

After conducting years of research on the actual events of Civil War Jones County and the legend that followed, I would speculate that your great aunt was descended from a family that was on the receiving end of the Knight Band&#039;s anti-Confederate depredations and the inner civil war that erupted in Jones County. Stories from that time were surely passed on to her, with Newt Knight becoming ever larger than life as the symbol of all that was frightening to folks on the home front.

Thanks again for your comment!

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating, Erich; thanks for taking the time to share it with Renegade South. Given that your great aunt was born only two years before Newt Knight died, this is stark testimony to how vibrant the legend of the Free State of Jones was long after the Civil War and Reconstruction had passed.</p>
<p>After conducting years of research on the actual events of Civil War Jones County and the legend that followed, I would speculate that your great aunt was descended from a family that was on the receiving end of the Knight Band&#8217;s anti-Confederate depredations and the inner civil war that erupted in Jones County. Stories from that time were surely passed on to her, with Newt Knight becoming ever larger than life as the symbol of all that was frightening to folks on the home front.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment!</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: erich</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[iv been sitting with my great aunt who was born in hot coffee in 1920. iv been talking to her alot about her childhood. she doesnt understand alot of things now and didnt really seem like she cared about the history of the local area. iv been prying it out of her slowley. i was googleing a random question about hot coffee and came across newt nights name. i asked her if she knew the name newt night and this 92 year old woman sat straight up and her eyes got big. i had just realized by saying his name i had brought back long forgoten memories of fear. iv grown up with her all my life and her reaction to that mans name almost distured me. her exact words were &quot; that was bad meeeaaaan man&quot;.the look and the tone made me realize she was upset. i wanted to get more info from her but i almost felt like i shouldnt bring her back to a bad place in her life. what little she did say about him was angry ranting about him and his men doing whatever they pleased like pirates in hot coffee. but what i cant make out is that she was born in 1920 and he died in 1922 or24 i believe. how could she remember his name so well. know that she is not and has never been interested in history or the what was going on in world really because she lived in shell compared to what information we have access to now. my question is did his son possible take up what his dad started and she could possibly be getting the two men confused or maybe his death date that is listed is not correct. if she was 2 to 4 years old she could not have that much of a reaction to his name. she didnt even know about the free state of jones county existed until i started explaining it to her. but she knew ole newt. i think only god knows what really happened or else she just wont say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iv been sitting with my great aunt who was born in hot coffee in 1920. iv been talking to her alot about her childhood. she doesnt understand alot of things now and didnt really seem like she cared about the history of the local area. iv been prying it out of her slowley. i was googleing a random question about hot coffee and came across newt nights name. i asked her if she knew the name newt night and this 92 year old woman sat straight up and her eyes got big. i had just realized by saying his name i had brought back long forgoten memories of fear. iv grown up with her all my life and her reaction to that mans name almost distured me. her exact words were &#8221; that was bad meeeaaaan man&#8221;.the look and the tone made me realize she was upset. i wanted to get more info from her but i almost felt like i shouldnt bring her back to a bad place in her life. what little she did say about him was angry ranting about him and his men doing whatever they pleased like pirates in hot coffee. but what i cant make out is that she was born in 1920 and he died in 1922 or24 i believe. how could she remember his name so well. know that she is not and has never been interested in history or the what was going on in world really because she lived in shell compared to what information we have access to now. my question is did his son possible take up what his dad started and she could possibly be getting the two men confused or maybe his death date that is listed is not correct. if she was 2 to 4 years old she could not have that much of a reaction to his name. she didnt even know about the free state of jones county existed until i started explaining it to her. but she knew ole newt. i think only god knows what really happened or else she just wont say.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Guthrie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa Guthrie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it is okay to give my email address, I can be contacted to share information about McGilvery, Smith, and others. teresag0328@aol.com  Thanks. Teresa Guthrie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is okay to give my email address, I can be contacted to share information about McGilvery, Smith, and others. <a href="mailto:teresag0328@aol.com">teresag0328@aol.com</a>  Thanks. Teresa Guthrie</p>
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		<title>By: William Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 12:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teresa please contact me I would love to share info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa please contact me I would love to share info.</p>
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		<title>By: William Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 12:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe I am a GGGG Grandson of Daniel Smith Sr whose daughter Sarah married Eilliam T. McGilvrey.  I would love to share info]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe I am a GGGG Grandson of Daniel Smith Sr whose daughter Sarah married Eilliam T. McGilvrey.  I would love to share info</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe,

I am in Texas until mid-March, but will check my files on the McGilverys when I return home to Missouri. I don&#039;t believe I have any more, however, than the following, which I documented in &lt;em&gt;Free State of Jones&lt;/em&gt;, ch. five, footnote #66: 1860 census records show William McGilvery of Jones Co., MS, as 42 years old and the owner of six slaves. His personal estate was valued at $18,910; his real estate at $5,480. 

I also concluded in my book that William, and not Angus McGilvery as claimed by Ethel Knight and Tom Knight, was killed by deserters (probably the Knight band) because of what I found in the censuses and in the 1868 bankruptcy papers of Amos Deason. Those papers show that Deason administered the estate of William McGilvery, who died in 1864. Censuses show that this William had a son named Angus, who, along with a second Angus McGilvery was still alive in 1870.

Hope this is helpful alongside whatever light Teresa Guthrie can shed on his life.

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>I am in Texas until mid-March, but will check my files on the McGilverys when I return home to Missouri. I don&#8217;t believe I have any more, however, than the following, which I documented in <em>Free State of Jones</em>, ch. five, footnote #66: 1860 census records show William McGilvery of Jones Co., MS, as 42 years old and the owner of six slaves. His personal estate was valued at $18,910; his real estate at $5,480. </p>
<p>I also concluded in my book that William, and not Angus McGilvery as claimed by Ethel Knight and Tom Knight, was killed by deserters (probably the Knight band) because of what I found in the censuses and in the 1868 bankruptcy papers of Amos Deason. Those papers show that Deason administered the estate of William McGilvery, who died in 1864. Censuses show that this William had a son named Angus, who, along with a second Angus McGilvery was still alive in 1870.</p>
<p>Hope this is helpful alongside whatever light Teresa Guthrie can shed on his life.</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: Joe McDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe McDavid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teresa,

I am a ggg grandson of William T. McGilvery,  I would like to have any information you have on him and his family.

Joe.McDavid]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa,</p>
<p>I am a ggg grandson of William T. McGilvery,  I would like to have any information you have on him and his family.</p>
<p>Joe.McDavid</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
		<link>http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/the-state-of-jones-by-sally-jenkins-and-john-stauffer-a-review-part-one/#comment-3896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[renegadesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teresa,

I appreciate your commentary, which provides more information on the murder of William T. McGilvery than I have seen printed anywhere. I wish I had heard from you while I was writing &lt;em&gt;The Free State of Jones&lt;/em&gt;! Your family is also typical in having members who supported opposite sides of the Civil War. (My own ancestors were similarly divided.)

Unless their graves were marked, tt is often impossible to determine where people from this era of history are buried. Sometimes oral histories are passed down, but I have never seen or heard any story about where Mr. McGilvery and his wife might be buried, Perhaps one of Renegade South&#039;s readers might be able to help.

Good luck,
Vikki Bynum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa,</p>
<p>I appreciate your commentary, which provides more information on the murder of William T. McGilvery than I have seen printed anywhere. I wish I had heard from you while I was writing <em>The Free State of Jones</em>! Your family is also typical in having members who supported opposite sides of the Civil War. (My own ancestors were similarly divided.)</p>
<p>Unless their graves were marked, tt is often impossible to determine where people from this era of history are buried. Sometimes oral histories are passed down, but I have never seen or heard any story about where Mr. McGilvery and his wife might be buried, Perhaps one of Renegade South&#8217;s readers might be able to help.</p>
<p>Good luck,<br />
Vikki Bynum</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Guthrie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa Guthrie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 02:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My ancesters are from Jones and Perry Counties, Mississippi. William Tyrus McGilvery is my gggg Grandfather.  He is the man that either Newt Knight, or a member of his gang, shot and killed when McGilvery&#039;s dogs were chasing Newt Knight and some of Knights followers, somewhere around Boga Homa creek in Jones County during the civil war. William Tyrus McGilvery&#039;s wife was Sarah Smith McGilvery.  His daughter was married to Samuel Caper Trest, first Sheriff of Jones county and a Mississippi state representative after the civil war.  McGilver&#039;s parents were from Scotland.  His Father was Alexander McGilvery and his Mother was Mary &quot;Polly&quot; McLeod.  Alexander and Polly&#039;s old gravestones are still at the grave sites in McGilvery cemetary, near Lancaster cemetary, at Ovett,  where Samuel Caper Trest and Eleanor &quot;Jenny&quot; McGilvery Trest are buried. My ancesters in Jones County are McGilvery, Smith, Trest, Ferguson, McSwain, Buchannan, McGill, Mixon, Rushton, Windham, Walters, Blackledge, McLeod, Stuart. Most of these surenames were on the same immigrant ship from Scholand.Some of my ancesters were members of Knight&#039;s gang and were hung by the confederacy.  So I have ancesters that were staunch Confederates and also Unionists.  I have a lot of information about some of these ancestors, but my Mother and I would really like to know what happened to William T. McGilvery&#039;s body and also his wife, Sarah Smith. We know that he died at a house near where he was shot.  We are looking for his grave and have been looking for some time with no luck. Do you or anyone reading this have any information about where Wm. McGilvery is buried?  I would really appreciate any information that anyone may have. Regards, Teresa Guthrie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ancesters are from Jones and Perry Counties, Mississippi. William Tyrus McGilvery is my gggg Grandfather.  He is the man that either Newt Knight, or a member of his gang, shot and killed when McGilvery&#8217;s dogs were chasing Newt Knight and some of Knights followers, somewhere around Boga Homa creek in Jones County during the civil war. William Tyrus McGilvery&#8217;s wife was Sarah Smith McGilvery.  His daughter was married to Samuel Caper Trest, first Sheriff of Jones county and a Mississippi state representative after the civil war.  McGilver&#8217;s parents were from Scotland.  His Father was Alexander McGilvery and his Mother was Mary &#8220;Polly&#8221; McLeod.  Alexander and Polly&#8217;s old gravestones are still at the grave sites in McGilvery cemetary, near Lancaster cemetary, at Ovett,  where Samuel Caper Trest and Eleanor &#8220;Jenny&#8221; McGilvery Trest are buried. My ancesters in Jones County are McGilvery, Smith, Trest, Ferguson, McSwain, Buchannan, McGill, Mixon, Rushton, Windham, Walters, Blackledge, McLeod, Stuart. Most of these surenames were on the same immigrant ship from Scholand.Some of my ancesters were members of Knight&#8217;s gang and were hung by the confederacy.  So I have ancesters that were staunch Confederates and also Unionists.  I have a lot of information about some of these ancestors, but my Mother and I would really like to know what happened to William T. McGilvery&#8217;s body and also his wife, Sarah Smith. We know that he died at a house near where he was shot.  We are looking for his grave and have been looking for some time with no luck. Do you or anyone reading this have any information about where Wm. McGilvery is buried?  I would really appreciate any information that anyone may have. Regards, Teresa Guthrie</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lavahnmoss,

Thanks for providing an insider&#039;s perspective on Newt Knight and the Free State of Jones. Like you, I see Newt Knight as very much a product of his environment, one comprised mostly of nonslaveholding farmers who had everything to lose, in addition to their lives, in a long, protracted war. I too can understand why a good many Jones Countians opposed secession, or had turned against the Confederacy by late 1863, when the Knight Company was formed.

I do believe that the war changed Newt, turning him into a far stronger supporter of the Union than he likely was in 1861. I also think it&#039;s likely that his relationship with Rachel, a product of wartime stress, changed his views about race. The fact that he and his parents did not own slaves indicates that they did not believe in slavery; it does not mean they believed in racial equality. Even the fact that Newt openly embraced his mixed-race descendants and provided property to them and their mothers (Rachel and her daughter, George Ann) does not mean that he embraced racial equality for all. We know that his views on race were not typical of white southerners, but we don&#039;t know exactly what those views were. 

For example, Newt tried to send his mixed-race descendants to a &quot;white&quot; school. He allegedly burned that school down when his descendants were turned away. Does that mean that he supported public school integration of all black and white children? Not according to a number of his descendants, such as Yvonne Bivins, who believes that Newt did not consider his descendants to be &quot;black.&quot; Racial identity is anything but monolithic among multiracial people.

Newt did work to protect the lives of blacks on behalf of the Adelbert Ames Administration after the war, indicating his commitment to the new order; one in which slavery was dead and black citizens were to enjoy certain civil rights. But the nation--North as well as South--was still far from agreeing that blacks would be equal. In fact, Southern Democrats could not have turned back Reconstruction without the acquiesence of powerful Northern leaders.

Newt Knight was caught up in this struggle; he served on the side of Adelbert Ames, who clearly fought for black rights. I credit Newt for taking his stand with the party of the Union after the war, but I think it would be a mistake to think that we know what he thought about racial equality. 

Thank you for visiting Renegade South!

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lavahnmoss,</p>
<p>Thanks for providing an insider&#8217;s perspective on Newt Knight and the Free State of Jones. Like you, I see Newt Knight as very much a product of his environment, one comprised mostly of nonslaveholding farmers who had everything to lose, in addition to their lives, in a long, protracted war. I too can understand why a good many Jones Countians opposed secession, or had turned against the Confederacy by late 1863, when the Knight Company was formed.</p>
<p>I do believe that the war changed Newt, turning him into a far stronger supporter of the Union than he likely was in 1861. I also think it&#8217;s likely that his relationship with Rachel, a product of wartime stress, changed his views about race. The fact that he and his parents did not own slaves indicates that they did not believe in slavery; it does not mean they believed in racial equality. Even the fact that Newt openly embraced his mixed-race descendants and provided property to them and their mothers (Rachel and her daughter, George Ann) does not mean that he embraced racial equality for all. We know that his views on race were not typical of white southerners, but we don&#8217;t know exactly what those views were. </p>
<p>For example, Newt tried to send his mixed-race descendants to a &#8220;white&#8221; school. He allegedly burned that school down when his descendants were turned away. Does that mean that he supported public school integration of all black and white children? Not according to a number of his descendants, such as Yvonne Bivins, who believes that Newt did not consider his descendants to be &#8220;black.&#8221; Racial identity is anything but monolithic among multiracial people.</p>
<p>Newt did work to protect the lives of blacks on behalf of the Adelbert Ames Administration after the war, indicating his commitment to the new order; one in which slavery was dead and black citizens were to enjoy certain civil rights. But the nation&#8211;North as well as South&#8211;was still far from agreeing that blacks would be equal. In fact, Southern Democrats could not have turned back Reconstruction without the acquiesence of powerful Northern leaders.</p>
<p>Newt Knight was caught up in this struggle; he served on the side of Adelbert Ames, who clearly fought for black rights. I credit Newt for taking his stand with the party of the Union after the war, but I think it would be a mistake to think that we know what he thought about racial equality. </p>
<p>Thank you for visiting Renegade South!</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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