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		<title>By: Ed Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Payne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[June:  Appreciate your comments and family lore.  I&#039;ve not found any men with the surnames of &quot;White&quot; or &quot;Temple(s)&quot; on the various rosters of the Newt Knight band.  But there were other men in the area who, singularly or in groups, sought to evade Confederate conscription authorities--especially after the surrender of Vicksburg in July, 1863.

Whether connected to your line or not, I did some research on a Jones R. Temples of Marion County.  He can be found on the 1860 census in that county as a 27 year-old married man with several children.  He apparently volunteered for the Confederate 7th MS Infantry in the spring of 1861 but his records end in December of that year.  On June 25, 1864 a James/Jones R. Temple of Marion County (apparently the same individual) enlisted in the 2nd New Orleans and was transferred to the 1st New Orleans.  Within 2 months, however, he was sentenced to confinement for the duration of the war at Fort Jefferson, in the Dry Tortugas off the coast of Florida.  Contrary to most court martial proceedings in the New Orleans regiments, no reason for his imprisonment was cited in his military papers. 

After the war Jones R. Temples moved his family to Bowie, Texas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June:  Appreciate your comments and family lore.  I&#8217;ve not found any men with the surnames of &#8220;White&#8221; or &#8220;Temple(s)&#8221; on the various rosters of the Newt Knight band.  But there were other men in the area who, singularly or in groups, sought to evade Confederate conscription authorities&#8211;especially after the surrender of Vicksburg in July, 1863.</p>
<p>Whether connected to your line or not, I did some research on a Jones R. Temples of Marion County.  He can be found on the 1860 census in that county as a 27 year-old married man with several children.  He apparently volunteered for the Confederate 7th MS Infantry in the spring of 1861 but his records end in December of that year.  On June 25, 1864 a James/Jones R. Temple of Marion County (apparently the same individual) enlisted in the 2nd New Orleans and was transferred to the 1st New Orleans.  Within 2 months, however, he was sentenced to confinement for the duration of the war at Fort Jefferson, in the Dry Tortugas off the coast of Florida.  Contrary to most court martial proceedings in the New Orleans regiments, no reason for his imprisonment was cited in his military papers. </p>
<p>After the war Jones R. Temples moved his family to Bowie, Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: June Lakoma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[June Lakoma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 20:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,

My great uncle was a gentlemen named Buck Temple, of Laurel, Mississippi.  My grandfather was Austin Temple, married to Ruby White, both of Laurel.  At the turn of the last century, I know that my great grandfather owned several hundred acres of Laurel land, having many businesses, saw mill, general goods, maybe sugar?  At Sharon Community Church, there are many Temple or Temples grave sites that preceded the Civil War and continue to this day.    My Mother was the only child (of 8 born to Austin) to move from Laurel to Chicago IL, where I presently live.  Mother would tell us stories that her ancestors were part of a renegade band of men who were neither pro Union or pro Confederate.  At the time of the Civil War, the name may have been spelled TEMPLES, later dropping the &quot;S&quot;.  Also, the WHITE family may have participated as they are another long-standing family from Laurel.  Was hoping that you may be able to confirm the story.  Also, approximately 90% of this large family remain in Laurel, Austin and Ruby have 24 grandchildren.  Amazing.   I love to visit Laurel MS when I can. Love the history and proud of my Mississippi roots.

Thank you for your work as an historian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>My great uncle was a gentlemen named Buck Temple, of Laurel, Mississippi.  My grandfather was Austin Temple, married to Ruby White, both of Laurel.  At the turn of the last century, I know that my great grandfather owned several hundred acres of Laurel land, having many businesses, saw mill, general goods, maybe sugar?  At Sharon Community Church, there are many Temple or Temples grave sites that preceded the Civil War and continue to this day.    My Mother was the only child (of 8 born to Austin) to move from Laurel to Chicago IL, where I presently live.  Mother would tell us stories that her ancestors were part of a renegade band of men who were neither pro Union or pro Confederate.  At the time of the Civil War, the name may have been spelled TEMPLES, later dropping the &#8220;S&#8221;.  Also, the WHITE family may have participated as they are another long-standing family from Laurel.  Was hoping that you may be able to confirm the story.  Also, approximately 90% of this large family remain in Laurel, Austin and Ruby have 24 grandchildren.  Amazing.   I love to visit Laurel MS when I can. Love the history and proud of my Mississippi roots.</p>
<p>Thank you for your work as an historian.</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[renegadesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 12:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brent,
You are correct that most of the eligible men of Jones County served in Confederate units at some point during the Civil War, and no one on Renegade South has argued otherwise. Most of the members of the Knight Company deserted their Confederate units rather than evaded conscript. Like the majority of Southerners who initially opposed secession (such as the Jones County Collins family), pro-Union men generally complied with conscription in hopes of a short war, and in hopes of serving alongside their kin and close neighbors. Many other men turned against the war by late 1862 and early 1863. Some joined the Knight band, but many others, as Ed Payne has demonstrated with his careful research, migrated to New Orleans and joined the Union Army. 

What interests me specifically, as well as others who have contributed to or commented on Renegade South, is why large numbers of families in the Jones County region either opposed or turned against the Confederacy. They were not alone in that opposition; such pockets of resistance existed throughout the South. Certainly, most deserters were not initially &quot;Unionists&quot; per se. They were struggling farmers who concluded that the Confederacy did not serve their interests. As a historian, I believe they were correct in that conclusion.

The purpose of Renegade South is to understand the Civil War home front from the perspective of its dissenters. As the creator and moderator of this site, I welcome respectful comments and queries. Those who wish to denigrate the motives and actions of people who no longer can defend their actions, however, may do so on sites set up for that purpose.

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent,<br />
You are correct that most of the eligible men of Jones County served in Confederate units at some point during the Civil War, and no one on Renegade South has argued otherwise. Most of the members of the Knight Company deserted their Confederate units rather than evaded conscript. Like the majority of Southerners who initially opposed secession (such as the Jones County Collins family), pro-Union men generally complied with conscription in hopes of a short war, and in hopes of serving alongside their kin and close neighbors. Many other men turned against the war by late 1862 and early 1863. Some joined the Knight band, but many others, as Ed Payne has demonstrated with his careful research, migrated to New Orleans and joined the Union Army. </p>
<p>What interests me specifically, as well as others who have contributed to or commented on Renegade South, is why large numbers of families in the Jones County region either opposed or turned against the Confederacy. They were not alone in that opposition; such pockets of resistance existed throughout the South. Certainly, most deserters were not initially &#8220;Unionists&#8221; per se. They were struggling farmers who concluded that the Confederacy did not serve their interests. As a historian, I believe they were correct in that conclusion.</p>
<p>The purpose of Renegade South is to understand the Civil War home front from the perspective of its dissenters. As the creator and moderator of this site, I welcome respectful comments and queries. Those who wish to denigrate the motives and actions of people who no longer can defend their actions, however, may do so on sites set up for that purpose.</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Waller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brent Waller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 04:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[was Jones County as anti-Confederate as advertised here?  NO! Most professional men and craft workers listed on the seventy-three page census schedule for this county can be found on Confederate company rolls. For instance, in Co. &quot;K&quot;, 8th Mississippi Regt., the &quot;Ellisville Invincibles&quot;, we find Jacob R. Brown and Edward Campion (mechanics), Hansford D. Dossett (land speculator), Benjamin C. Deason (merchant), H. S. Pound (physician), F. K. Willoughby (painter), Robert J. Parker (saddler), Jacob Leonard (mason) and James M. Grubbs (miller). Several of these men served as commissioned officers.

Others appear in Co. &quot;C&quot;, 7th Mississippi Battalion, the &quot;Jones County Rebels&quot;; Co. &quot;B&quot;, 27th Mississippi Regt., the &quot;Rosin Heels&quot;; Co. &quot;K&quot;, 37th Mississippi Regt., the &quot;Jasper Guards&quot;; Co. &quot;H&quot;, 5th Mississippi State Troops, and other commands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was Jones County as anti-Confederate as advertised here?  NO! Most professional men and craft workers listed on the seventy-three page census schedule for this county can be found on Confederate company rolls. For instance, in Co. &#8220;K&#8221;, 8th Mississippi Regt., the &#8220;Ellisville Invincibles&#8221;, we find Jacob R. Brown and Edward Campion (mechanics), Hansford D. Dossett (land speculator), Benjamin C. Deason (merchant), H. S. Pound (physician), F. K. Willoughby (painter), Robert J. Parker (saddler), Jacob Leonard (mason) and James M. Grubbs (miller). Several of these men served as commissioned officers.</p>
<p>Others appear in Co. &#8220;C&#8221;, 7th Mississippi Battalion, the &#8220;Jones County Rebels&#8221;; Co. &#8220;B&#8221;, 27th Mississippi Regt., the &#8220;Rosin Heels&#8221;; Co. &#8220;K&#8221;, 37th Mississippi Regt., the &#8220;Jasper Guards&#8221;; Co. &#8220;H&#8221;, 5th Mississippi State Troops, and other commands.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Mauldin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Mauldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 02:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loved your reply above. With your razor-sharp intellect, you should feel guilty going toe-to-toe with the defenseless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved your reply above. With your razor-sharp intellect, you should feel guilty going toe-to-toe with the defenseless.</p>
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		<title>By: renegadesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[renegadesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 21:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brent,
Your position on the war is clear; I&#039;m not sure it sheds light on the identity of James Lee. Language such as &quot;turncoat&quot; and phrases such as &quot;Yankee Robbery and Rape of the South&quot; repeat an ever-popular image of the Civil War as a morality play between southern victims and northern victimizers rather than what it was: a struggle over national vision, regional sovereignty, and the ever-present issue of human bondage. On this site, we try to understand the forces that led some Southerners to oppose the government set forth by their political leaders. There is no one image, and certainly no one stereotype, that tells their story.

Vikki]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent,<br />
Your position on the war is clear; I&#8217;m not sure it sheds light on the identity of James Lee. Language such as &#8220;turncoat&#8221; and phrases such as &#8220;Yankee Robbery and Rape of the South&#8221; repeat an ever-popular image of the Civil War as a morality play between southern victims and northern victimizers rather than what it was: a struggle over national vision, regional sovereignty, and the ever-present issue of human bondage. On this site, we try to understand the forces that led some Southerners to oppose the government set forth by their political leaders. There is no one image, and certainly no one stereotype, that tells their story.</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Waller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brent Waller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 18:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have Wayne County Lees in my line Is why i asked, and can find no census records of a James Lee In Wayne County MS, which is where i was born as well. I have noted doing research in the past that some west Wayne Countians are often included in Jones County. The Waller Ridge &quot;EUCUTTA&quot; area of Wayne County In particular, Often shows up in Jasper or Jones. I have reviewed my Genology of the Wayne County Lees and can find no James Lee until the 1700&#039;s. I wonder, what other LA Union Regiments, Mississippians served in? I see a few other Wayne Countians on Your List. I have a Wayne County Ancestor Private Daniel Boutwell CSA who after being captured and sent to prison, said the Yankee Oath and Served out the last year of the war with a New york Infanry.! In Greene County Yankee Dan Mciniss Served in the Union. Im Told many of these Turncoats in the South were given the Reconstruction Marshall job in there towns. Some of these men were Of the worst sort, and Under the cover of Reconstruction, Used there new position to continue the Yankee Robbery and Rape of the South. Looks like you spent alot of time Researching this material. I salute your efforts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Wayne County Lees in my line Is why i asked, and can find no census records of a James Lee In Wayne County MS, which is where i was born as well. I have noted doing research in the past that some west Wayne Countians are often included in Jones County. The Waller Ridge &#8220;EUCUTTA&#8221; area of Wayne County In particular, Often shows up in Jasper or Jones. I have reviewed my Genology of the Wayne County Lees and can find no James Lee until the 1700&#8242;s. I wonder, what other LA Union Regiments, Mississippians served in? I see a few other Wayne Countians on Your List. I have a Wayne County Ancestor Private Daniel Boutwell CSA who after being captured and sent to prison, said the Yankee Oath and Served out the last year of the war with a New york Infanry.! In Greene County Yankee Dan Mciniss Served in the Union. Im Told many of these Turncoats in the South were given the Reconstruction Marshall job in there towns. Some of these men were Of the worst sort, and Under the cover of Reconstruction, Used there new position to continue the Yankee Robbery and Rape of the South. Looks like you spent alot of time Researching this material. I salute your efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Payne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brent: the information that James W. Lee was born in Wayne County comes from his 1st New Orleans Union military records.  As you noted, his age (29) at the time of his enlistment on 13 April 1864 indicates he was born circa 1835. He can be found on the 1860 census of Jones County as &quot;James W. Lee&quot; age 25 with wife Delphine and 3 children.  While serving in the 1st New Orleans, James W. Lee died of typhoid fever on 28 July 1864.

In 1867 his widow filed for a Union pension.  These records establish that her maiden name was Delphine Landrum and they married in 1856.  Among their children were a son named William T. Lee born in 1859 and one named Abraham Lincoln Lee born in March of 1863.  Delphine and her 5 children by James can be found on the 1870 Jones County census.

Some genealogies list James W. Lee as a son of Nathaniel Lee and wife Sarah.  If so, he would most likely be the child recorded as &quot;William T. Lee&quot; age 15 on the 1850 census of Covington County.  Note this would match the name James gave his first son.  Indeed, some genealogies list James&#039;s full name as James William T. Lee, but I not found any documents to support this.  Whether Nathaniel was James&#039;s father or not, &quot;Nathaniel Lee&quot; was enumerated in neighboring Perry County on the 1860 census.

Hope this helps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent: the information that James W. Lee was born in Wayne County comes from his 1st New Orleans Union military records.  As you noted, his age (29) at the time of his enlistment on 13 April 1864 indicates he was born circa 1835. He can be found on the 1860 census of Jones County as &#8220;James W. Lee&#8221; age 25 with wife Delphine and 3 children.  While serving in the 1st New Orleans, James W. Lee died of typhoid fever on 28 July 1864.</p>
<p>In 1867 his widow filed for a Union pension.  These records establish that her maiden name was Delphine Landrum and they married in 1856.  Among their children were a son named William T. Lee born in 1859 and one named Abraham Lincoln Lee born in March of 1863.  Delphine and her 5 children by James can be found on the 1870 Jones County census.</p>
<p>Some genealogies list James W. Lee as a son of Nathaniel Lee and wife Sarah.  If so, he would most likely be the child recorded as &#8220;William T. Lee&#8221; age 15 on the 1850 census of Covington County.  Note this would match the name James gave his first son.  Indeed, some genealogies list James&#8217;s full name as James William T. Lee, but I not found any documents to support this.  Whether Nathaniel was James&#8217;s father or not, &#8220;Nathaniel Lee&#8221; was enumerated in neighboring Perry County on the 1860 census.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Waller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brent Waller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can find no James Lee born in wayne county around 1835, do you have any idea who his parents are?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can find no James Lee born in wayne county around 1835, do you have any idea who his parents are?</p>
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		<title>By: Newt Knight: The story goes on forever . . . &#171; Renegade South</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newt Knight: The story goes on forever . . . &#171; Renegade South]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Yet when over two hundred Piney Woods men trekked south in the spring of 1864 and agreed to join Union Army regiments in New Orleans, it was hardly due to the machinations of Newt Knight.  He remained in Jones County until the end [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yet when over two hundred Piney Woods men trekked south in the spring of 1864 and agreed to join Union Army regiments in New Orleans, it was hardly due to the machinations of Newt Knight.  He remained in Jones County until the end [...]</p>
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