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		<title>By: pooreboysingray</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://pooreboysingray.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/450/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Poore Boys In Gray&lt;/a&gt; and commented: 
Ed Payne is a careful researcher and I thought his tips may be useful to your own research into your Civil War ancestors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://pooreboysingray.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/450/" rel="nofollow">Poore Boys In Gray</a> and commented:<br />
Ed Payne is a careful researcher and I thought his tips may be useful to your own research into your Civil War ancestors.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed,
I cannot find Confederate service records matching Marion and Marin at Fold3.  On the other hand, the AL 36th Infantry Regiment (Company I) may be a possibility.  A roster dated May 13, 1862 includes the names “Marion Parker”, “M. M. Parker”, and “ J E Inman”.   Admittedly, Martin’s initials are “M V B” and Marion’s brother-in-law is Alexander Inman.  Still, Company I was recruited in Wayne County and vicinity.  The ages are consistent.  And, in a later roster (January 2004) the three names are missing.  As you know, Martin, Marion, and Alexander wind up in the New Orleans Infantry.  Did they enlist in the AL 36th first and serve a few months, or are the three names just a coincidence?
Robert Parker]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
I cannot find Confederate service records matching Marion and Marin at Fold3.  On the other hand, the AL 36th Infantry Regiment (Company I) may be a possibility.  A roster dated May 13, 1862 includes the names “Marion Parker”, “M. M. Parker”, and “ J E Inman”.   Admittedly, Martin’s initials are “M V B” and Marion’s brother-in-law is Alexander Inman.  Still, Company I was recruited in Wayne County and vicinity.  The ages are consistent.  And, in a later roster (January 2004) the three names are missing.  As you know, Martin, Marion, and Alexander wind up in the New Orleans Infantry.  Did they enlist in the AL 36th first and serve a few months, or are the three names just a coincidence?<br />
Robert Parker</p>
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		<title>By: Walter J Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MY AUNT KATE FOREST LORD WAS A GREAT GRAND DAUGHTER OF JAOCB THOMPSON.  BEFORE HE PASSED ON HE SAID THOMPSON WAS CONNECTED TO JOHN WILKS BOOTH.  CAN ANYONE ENLIGHTEN ME ON THOMPSON?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY AUNT KATE FOREST LORD WAS A GREAT GRAND DAUGHTER OF JAOCB THOMPSON.  BEFORE HE PASSED ON HE SAID THOMPSON WAS CONNECTED TO JOHN WILKS BOOTH.  CAN ANYONE ENLIGHTEN ME ON THOMPSON?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Payne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert:  Sorry for the delay in responding but I have been on vacation and off the grid.  

Based on what I have been able to ascertain, in early 1864 the State of Mississippi requested each county to compile a list of all men who had served in the Confederacy.  This occurred around the same time that the Confederate Congress passed an act to facilitate such a census of soldiers.   As can be seen from the listings, counties and even beats within counties used different formats.  But they generally listed all local men who had volunteered (prior to the Conscription Act of 1862), enlisted, or been conscripted.  The census also included men who belonged to local militia units.

As I noted in the article, names found on the lists indicate that Jones County officials sought to include ALL county residents who had served in the Confederacy – regardless of their subsequent actions.  The Newt Knight band formed in October of 1863.  And it seems very likely the county supervisors conducting the survey in February 1864 knew who sided with the renegades.  Nevertheless, many men whose names appear on the Knight Band rosters are also listed on the census due to their earlier Confederate service.  This makes the census all the more valuable.

As you noted, the inclusion of Marion and Martin Parker on the census of soldiers suggests they had returned to Jones County by 1862-3.  It is possible they did so due to the area’s reputation as a haven for anti-secessionists and disgruntled ex-Confederates.  The records of the 1st New Orleans Union Regiment show the Parkers were among the earliest enlistees, signing up on 20 December 1863 along with Obediah Parker.  Most Piney Woods men did not join the 1st New Orleans until the following Spring, after the Confederate campaigns in the area led by Col. Henry Maury and Col. Robert Lowry.  

My guess is that the spouses of Marion and Martin were residing in Jones County in February 1864 and they reported the prior Confederate service (possibly in Alabama) of their spouses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert:  Sorry for the delay in responding but I have been on vacation and off the grid.  </p>
<p>Based on what I have been able to ascertain, in early 1864 the State of Mississippi requested each county to compile a list of all men who had served in the Confederacy.  This occurred around the same time that the Confederate Congress passed an act to facilitate such a census of soldiers.   As can be seen from the listings, counties and even beats within counties used different formats.  But they generally listed all local men who had volunteered (prior to the Conscription Act of 1862), enlisted, or been conscripted.  The census also included men who belonged to local militia units.</p>
<p>As I noted in the article, names found on the lists indicate that Jones County officials sought to include ALL county residents who had served in the Confederacy – regardless of their subsequent actions.  The Newt Knight band formed in October of 1863.  And it seems very likely the county supervisors conducting the survey in February 1864 knew who sided with the renegades.  Nevertheless, many men whose names appear on the Knight Band rosters are also listed on the census due to their earlier Confederate service.  This makes the census all the more valuable.</p>
<p>As you noted, the inclusion of Marion and Martin Parker on the census of soldiers suggests they had returned to Jones County by 1862-3.  It is possible they did so due to the area’s reputation as a haven for anti-secessionists and disgruntled ex-Confederates.  The records of the 1st New Orleans Union Regiment show the Parkers were among the earliest enlistees, signing up on 20 December 1863 along with Obediah Parker.  Most Piney Woods men did not join the 1st New Orleans until the following Spring, after the Confederate campaigns in the area led by Col. Henry Maury and Col. Robert Lowry.  </p>
<p>My guess is that the spouses of Marion and Martin were residing in Jones County in February 1864 and they reported the prior Confederate service (possibly in Alabama) of their spouses.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Parker</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed, two names in the Jones County “1863-1868” subgroup are reassuring, but puzzling.   The names “Martin Parker” and “Marion Parker” (Beat 1 enumeration) further convince me that the Littleberry Parker family left Washington County, AL soon after 1860 and returned to the Ellisville vicinity, before many moved on to New Orleans.   But why are brothers Martin and Marion on a Jones County list dated 1864?    They were soldiers in the NO Infantry by the end of 1863, were they not?    Was Beat 1 really canvased in early 1864?    What circumstances cause a name to appear on the list?  Does it include names of men due for conscription, but who have actually flown the coop?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, two names in the Jones County “1863-1868” subgroup are reassuring, but puzzling.   The names “Martin Parker” and “Marion Parker” (Beat 1 enumeration) further convince me that the Littleberry Parker family left Washington County, AL soon after 1860 and returned to the Ellisville vicinity, before many moved on to New Orleans.   But why are brothers Martin and Marion on a Jones County list dated 1864?    They were soldiers in the NO Infantry by the end of 1863, were they not?    Was Beat 1 really canvased in early 1864?    What circumstances cause a name to appear on the list?  Does it include names of men due for conscription, but who have actually flown the coop?</p>
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		<title>By: payneed</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim:

I have emailed the Nancy Sumrall documents to you.  Martha&#039;s husband is found on the list for Beat 1 (FamilySearch image 3, no 50) as &#039;Walters, G.W.&#039;  Martha and her children were not tallies--I assume because of the supervisor not considering her among the destitute wives, widows, and mothers.

Ed Payne]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>I have emailed the Nancy Sumrall documents to you.  Martha&#8217;s husband is found on the list for Beat 1 (FamilySearch image 3, no 50) as &#8216;Walters, G.W.&#8217;  Martha and her children were not tallies&#8211;I assume because of the supervisor not considering her among the destitute wives, widows, and mothers.</p>
<p>Ed Payne</p>
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		<title>By: tim sumrall</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed, I don&#039;t have access to Fold3, and would greatly appreciate it if you would send me copies of those Nancy Sumrall papers.  I think you are right about teenage children being sent out of the home.  Also, since I don&#039;t think the Sumrall family were of much means, it wouldn&#039;t be unreasonable for a boy 10 or 11 years old to be working for someone else if that would bring in some income.  There could be many reasons why any child over 10 or 11 would not be living at home during such troubled times.  If you don&#039;t still have my email address let me know and I&#039;ll get it to you.  By the way, I haven&#039;t had time to really go into all those documents - did you find anything for our common grandmother Martha Rushing Walters in the documents?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I don&#8217;t have access to Fold3, and would greatly appreciate it if you would send me copies of those Nancy Sumrall papers.  I think you are right about teenage children being sent out of the home.  Also, since I don&#8217;t think the Sumrall family were of much means, it wouldn&#8217;t be unreasonable for a boy 10 or 11 years old to be working for someone else if that would bring in some income.  There could be many reasons why any child over 10 or 11 would not be living at home during such troubled times.  If you don&#8217;t still have my email address let me know and I&#8217;ll get it to you.  By the way, I haven&#8217;t had time to really go into all those documents &#8211; did you find anything for our common grandmother Martha Rushing Walters in the documents?</p>
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		<title>By: payneed</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim:

Good to hear from you and glad you find the FamilySearch records as interesting as I do.  As you probably observed, the six men who enumerated the five county Beats each did so in their own way--as one might expect for Jones County.  The tally on image 15 (Beat 2W, pg 2) should be the number in the family.  However, I suspect that by that point in the war women had good reason to hide the identity any sons in their teens.  After all, who knew how long the war might last and if the Confederacy might drop the conscription age to 15?  So Nancy Sumrall may have sent her sons to the woods and reported only herself and Jefferson, age 3.

I believe the reason Elisha is missing is due to his pre-war residence and enlistment in Alabama.  As I noted, the enumerators seem to have only listed men who resided in Jones County when they enlisted.  If I have the correct Elisha Sumrall (there were several), he joined Company I of the 36th AL Infantry--only to die of disease within a few months on 4 Jun 1862.  Documents on Fold3 show his wife Nancy petitioned the court in Wayne County for his back pay.  By the time she received it (2 years after his death), inflation had made the $50.66 essentially worthless.  If you don’t have access to Fold3, let me know and I’ll email you copies of the papers.

The fact that Nancy filed her petition in the Wayne County court and listed her mailing address as Buckatunna suggests to me that the family resided there in 1860.  But they seem to have been missed by the 1860 census--which most likely could have resolved the questions surrounding Jacob Sumrall’s parentage.

- Ed Payne]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>Good to hear from you and glad you find the FamilySearch records as interesting as I do.  As you probably observed, the six men who enumerated the five county Beats each did so in their own way&#8211;as one might expect for Jones County.  The tally on image 15 (Beat 2W, pg 2) should be the number in the family.  However, I suspect that by that point in the war women had good reason to hide the identity any sons in their teens.  After all, who knew how long the war might last and if the Confederacy might drop the conscription age to 15?  So Nancy Sumrall may have sent her sons to the woods and reported only herself and Jefferson, age 3.</p>
<p>I believe the reason Elisha is missing is due to his pre-war residence and enlistment in Alabama.  As I noted, the enumerators seem to have only listed men who resided in Jones County when they enlisted.  If I have the correct Elisha Sumrall (there were several), he joined Company I of the 36th AL Infantry&#8211;only to die of disease within a few months on 4 Jun 1862.  Documents on Fold3 show his wife Nancy petitioned the court in Wayne County for his back pay.  By the time she received it (2 years after his death), inflation had made the $50.66 essentially worthless.  If you don’t have access to Fold3, let me know and I’ll email you copies of the papers.</p>
<p>The fact that Nancy filed her petition in the Wayne County court and listed her mailing address as Buckatunna suggests to me that the family resided there in 1860.  But they seem to have been missed by the 1860 census&#8211;which most likely could have resolved the questions surrounding Jacob Sumrall’s parentage.</p>
<p>- Ed Payne</p>
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		<title>By: tim sumrall</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed, this is quite a find for me.  I continue to search for information about Jacob Sumrall&#039;s parents, and now I see that Nancy Sumrall is listed on page 15 (the last page) of the indigent ande disabled conferederate soldiers and dependents list, fourth from the last (the last is Gatsy Collins).  I can&#039;t tell if the total is number of children or number in family, and of course am not sure if this is &quot;my&quot; Nancy that later married Moses Holifield, but it seems it could be.  I note several Sumrall men listed in those pages, but no Elijah!  Guess I&#039;ll just have to keep searching.
By the way, if you haven&#039;t had time to search all these documents, I also found Samantha Rushing in the 1853 Mississippi Census with 1 male and 5 females in the family.
Thanks for this information.
Tim Sumrall]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, this is quite a find for me.  I continue to search for information about Jacob Sumrall&#8217;s parents, and now I see that Nancy Sumrall is listed on page 15 (the last page) of the indigent ande disabled conferederate soldiers and dependents list, fourth from the last (the last is Gatsy Collins).  I can&#8217;t tell if the total is number of children or number in family, and of course am not sure if this is &#8220;my&#8221; Nancy that later married Moses Holifield, but it seems it could be.  I note several Sumrall men listed in those pages, but no Elijah!  Guess I&#8217;ll just have to keep searching.<br />
By the way, if you haven&#8217;t had time to search all these documents, I also found Samantha Rushing in the 1853 Mississippi Census with 1 male and 5 females in the family.<br />
Thanks for this information.<br />
Tim Sumrall</p>
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